Showing posts with label wifi. Show all posts
Showing posts with label wifi. Show all posts

Thursday, May 8, 2025

Nighthawk RAXE300 vs TP-Link Archer AX6000 vs TP-Link Deco P9

After my previous post where I compared the TP-Link Archer AX6000, MSI RadiX AXE6600, and TP-Link Deco P9, I decided to sell the MSI RadiX AXE6000. I was happy with the Archer AX6000, but sometimes our Samsung Galaxy S22 and S24 devices lost their connection, while 30 other devices on the same network were fine. Even the Galaxy A13/A15 phones were fine. After troubleshooting, I could not figure out it. With the age of the AX6000, I didn't expect a firmware update would help, so on eBay I bought a Netgear Nighthawk RAXE300 6e on a good deal. It was newer, so I expected better compatability.

Attribute Netgear RAXE300 TP-Link AX6000 TP-Link Deco P9
Brand Netgear TP-Link TP-Link
Model RAXE300 AX6000 Deco P9
Paid Price $92.46 in 2024, eBay used $63.49 in 2024, eBay used $250.00 in 2020, new
Wi-Fi Generation 6E 6 5
Beamforming Yes Yes Yes
Streams 2/4/2 4/4/0 MU-MIMO
Antennas 6 8 2
2.5 Gbps LAN Ports 1 1 0 per unit
1 Gbps LAN Ports 5 8 2 per unit

Testing Setup

All tests were conducted using iperf3, connected to an OpenWRT router over 1 Gbps ethernet. I ran iperf3 on the OpenWRT router as the server, and two client devices (a Galaxy S24 and a Dell Precision 3570) at different locations. I repeated most test three times and averaged the results, though some were two or four times. I chose iperf3 to avoid confounding effects of WAN performance. In iperf3 terminology, the normal mode, which I call forward, uploads from the client to the server, and reverse mode downloads from server to client. I did all tests November 2024.

Close range

Close range testing gives us information about ideal connections, not worrying about distance or barriers like walls and floors. It sets a benchmark for tests at farther distances.

Access Point Client Band Ping Jitter (ms) Ping Avg (ms) iperf Forward (Mbps) iperf Reverse (Mbps)
Nighthawk RAXE300 Galaxy S24 6 GHz 7.8 18.3 811 831
Nighthawk RAXE300 Galaxy S24 5 GHz 10.3 21.7 556 738
Nighthawk RAXE300 Galaxy S24 2.4 GHz 20.0 29.7 56 64
TP-Link Archer AX6000 Galaxy S24 5 GHz 8.0 14.7 503 752
TP-Link Archer AX6000 Galaxy S24 2.4 GHz 18.5 28.0 78 75
TP-Link Deco P9 Galaxy S24 5 GHz 8.5 17.5 243 389
TP-Link Deco P9 Galaxy S24 2.4 GHz 36.5 48.5 13 16
Nighthawk RAXE300 Dell Precision 3570 5 GHz 8.0 331 320
TP-Link Archer AX6000 Dell Precision 3570 5 GHz 3.0 500 377
TP-Link Deco P9 Dell Precision 3570 5 GHz 4.0 306 296
  • Nighthawk RAXE300 Leads on 6 GHz: The Nighthawk RAXE300 demonstrated the highest average throughput with the Galaxy S24 in both forward (811 Mbps) and reverse (831 Mbps) directions when connected to the 6 GHz band. This highlights the potential of the newer 6 GHz technology for close-range, high-bandwidth applications. However, even in 2025, few of my devices support 6 GHz.
  • Competitive 5 GHz Performance: 5 GHz performance is the most significant because that's the primary band for most of my non-IOT devices. Both the Nighthawk RAXE300 and the TP-Link Archer AX6000 showed strong performance on the 5 GHz band. However, the Galaxy S24 exhibited concerningly higher average ping times with the Nighthawk RAXE300 (21.7 ms) and TP-Link Deco P9 (17.5 ms) compared to the Archer AX6000 (14.7 ms). This echoes a pattern I've observed previously, where Galaxy S24 devices seem to have poor ping times (see this Reddit thread). When focusing on ping times for the Dell laptop, which better represents ping for most devices, the Nighthawk had a worse average ping (8ms) than the other two APs (3 ms for Archer AX6000 and 4 ms for Deco P9). In terms of throughput on 5 GHz, the Archer AX6000 averaged 503 Mbps forward and 752 Mbps reverse with the Galaxy S24, compared to the RAXE300's 556 Mbps forward and 738 Mbps reverse. With the Dell laptop, the Archer AX6000 had better throughput than the RAXE300.
  • Deco P9 Lagging on 5 GHz: The TP-Link Deco P9 showed noticeably lower average throughput on the 5 GHz band (243 Mbps forward, 389 Mbps reverse with the Galaxy S24; 306 Mbps forward, 296 Mbps reverse with the Dell Precision 3570) compared to the other two access points.
  • Lower 2.4 GHz Performance Across the Board: As expected, all three access points exhibited significantly lower throughput on the 2.4 GHz band compared to the 5 GHz and 6 GHz bands. The TP-Link Deco P9 had the lowest performance on 2.4 GHz among the three with the Galaxy S24.

Corner in basement

The following table summarizes the performance in a corner of my basement where my son has his PC, but it's where wi-fi has a poor signal.

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Performance Testing Results - Basement NE Corner (Nov 3, 2024)

Access Point Band Avg Ping (ms) iperf Forward (Mbps) iperf Reverse (Mbps)
Nighthawk RAXE300 6 GHz 49.3 15 104
Nighthawk RAXE300 5 GHz 23.3 211 279
TP-Link Archer AX6000 5 GHz 17.4 146 288
TP-Link Deco P9 5 GHz 18.5 87 143
  • Of all the APs, the Nighthawk suffered the most ping performance compared to close range. Also at the same locaiton, the Nighthawk had the worse ping, especially on 6GHz.
  • Likewise, performance on the 6 GHz suffered the most in the basement compared to close range.
  • Performance on 5 GHz was acceptable on the Nighthawk and Archer.
Access Point Band Avg Ping (ms) iperf Forward (Mbps) iperf Reverse (Mbps)
Nighthawk RAXE300 2.4 GHz 38.4 22.74 28.66
TP-Link Archer AX6000 2.4 GHz 33.2 38.55 44.8714
TP-Link Deco P9 2.4 GHz 56.75 12.95 11.515
  • Compared to close range at 2.4 GHz, all metrics suffered, as expected because of the physical barriers.
  • The Archer AX6000 suffered the least lost compared to close range at 2.4 GHz.
  • Both the Nighthawk and Archer had acceptable performance when tested on the driveway.

Conclusion

These tests gave me the data to finally say goodbye to my Deco P9, which I sold for a good price on Nextdoor. It makes me wonder in general the value of any mesh network. If you have wi-fi issues, don't count on a mesh network to fix them.

While the newer Netgear Nighthawk did not consistently outperform the Archer, I gave the Archer to a family member who moved into a new place. Her phone did not have the comptability issues I had with the Archer. I've been using the Netgear Nighthawk AXE600 for over six months, and I am pleased with it.

Thursday, July 18, 2024

TP-Link Archer AX6000 vs MSI RadiX AXE6600 vs TP Link Deco P9

I have used a three-node TP-Link Deco P9 mesh system (Wi-Fi 5, 2019) since 2020, but its performance has never impressed me. In 2022 I complained to TP-Link support, but they couldn't help. I have now compared the Deco P9 with an MSI RadiX AXE6600 (Wi-Fi 6E, 2023) and a TP-Link Archer AX6000 (Wi-Fi 6, 2018). I paid $250 for the Deco in 2020; in 2024 I bought the MSI used for $133.89 and the Archer for $63.49. Do not confuse the RadiX AXE6600 (Wi-Fi 6E) with the Archer AX6000 (Wi-Fi 6)—even Google Search mixes them up.

Attribute MSI RadiX AXE6600 TP-Link AX6000 TP-Link Deco P9
Brand MSI TP-Link TP-Link
Model RadiX AXE6600 AX6000 Deco P9
Paid Price $133.89 in 2024, Amazon used $63.49 in 2024, ebay $250.00 in 2020, new
Wi-Fi Generation 6E 6 5
Beamforming Yes Yes Yes
Streams 2/2/4 4/4/0 MU-MIMO
Antennas 6 8 2
2.5 Gbps LAN Ports 1 1 0 per unit
1 Gbps LAN Ports 4 8 2 per unit

For performance testing, the Wi-Fi systems were set to AP mode and hard wired over 1 Gbps Ethernet to a Belkin RT3200 running OpenWrt, functioning as an iperf3 server to test LAN performance not confounded by an ISP. The MSI was set to 80 MHz on the 5 GHz band (the maximum) and 160 MHz on the 6 GHz band. The Archer was set to 80 MHz on the 5 GHz band. The Archer can do 160 MHz, though the setting was hard to find, and in other testing, it did not make a big difference at close range.

With iperf3 in default mode, the client sends (i.e., uploads): I call this forward mode. In reverse mode, the client receives (i.e., downloads). I used the PingTools Android app for iperf3 and PingMon app for ICMP ping.

The network client was usually a Samsung Galaxy S24 (Wi-Fi 6e) smartphone, but a few tests were done with a Galaxy A15 (Wi-Fi 5), which is a much cheaper phone.

Performance at close range

I began by testing at close range, which represents the ideal scenario for Wi-Fi. In this test, the Deco P9 was a satellite hard-wired to the primary Deco.

Here, the MSI RadiX AXE6600 outperformed the others on the 5 GHz band, and as you would expect, its performance on the 6 GHz band was even better than on 5 GHz.

Strangely, the cheaper Galaxy A15 had much better latency than the Galaxy S24, though the Galaxy S24 performed better than the Galaxy A15 on bandwidth tests, which is expected because the Galaxy S24 supports a newer generation of Wi-Fi.

Access Point Band Client Ping avg ms iperf forward Mbps iperf reverse Mbps
MSI RadiX AXE6600 6 GHz Galaxy S24 16 777 909
MSI RadiX AXE6600 5 GHz Galaxy S24 18 578 716
TP-Link Archer AX6000 5 GHz Galaxy S24 17 617 760
MSI RadiX AXE6600 5 GHz Galaxy A15 3 314 338
TP-Link Archer AX6000 5 GHz Galaxy A15 4 334 312
Deco P9 5 GHz Galaxy A15 4 277 289
Deco P9 5 GHz Galaxy S24 16 307 472

Indoors, far away

Next, I tested with the phones in a part of the house with poor network coverage. I limited testing to 5 GHz because this location has a desktop computer that uses only 5 GHz.

In a reversal from the close-range testing, the TP-Link Archer outperformed the other access points.

Access Point Band Ping Avg MS Iperf Forward (Mbps) Iperf Reverse (Mbps)
MSI RadiX AXE6600 6 GHz 27 78 199
MSI RadiX AXE6600 5 GHz 37 30 34
TP-Link Archer AX6000 5 GHz 18 94 318
TP-Link Deco P9 5 GHz 19 41 70

Outdoor

My final test was outdoors where I use a 2.4 GHz camera and 5 GHz phones, so I tested all bands.

I was surprised the 6 GHz worked outside, and it was still fast. The Archer outperformed the other APs on the 2.4 GHz band, and like in the last test, also on the 5 GHz band.

Access Point Band Ping Avg MS iperf Forward (Mbps) iperf Reverse (Mbps)
MSI RadiX AXE6600 6 GHz 261 558
MSI RadiX AXE6600 5 GHz 67 38 228
TP-Link Archer AX6000 5 GHz 20 303 431
MSI RadiX AXE6600 2.4 GHz 36 6 21
TP-Link Archer AX6000 2.4 GHz 38 28 22
TP-Link Deco P9 2.4 GHz 37 8 17

Other thoughts

The MSI RadiX AXE6600 has a good web interface for viewing system information and changing settings, but the MSI app never logged in for me. When my netmask was 255.0.0.0 the MSI would go into a loop, using all memory, and invoking the OOM killer, so I changed the netmask as a workaround. The MSI made 172800 DNS queries per day, which is excessive.

The Archer's Tether app is spartan with little information and few settings. The Archer has much more info and settings available through its web interface than the Tether app. While the Deco app is better than Tether, I was annoyed by the slow refresh rates and the lack of a time series display for the network usage.

The MSI 6 GHz band performed well outside and throughout the house, so it makes a credible use case as a high-performance backhaul for Wi-Fi 6e mesh systems.

Achieving gigabit performance on these Wi-Fi systems was rare, so it makes a case against paying for high speed ISPs faster than gigabit. Devices like the Galaxy A13 could not even use half of a gigabit Internet plan.

Conclusion

Despite its age, I decided to keep the TP-Link Archer and sell the Deco P9 and MSI RadiX because the Archer performed best throughout the house and outdoors. It was a surprise that a single device, the Archer, could outperform the three units of the Deco's mesh system, and the Archer was also the oldest, outperforming the newest, which was the MSI. For me, consistent performance across my house and outdoors was more important than fastest speeds at close range. I discounted performance on the 6 GHz band (MSI) because few of my devices have a 6 GHz band: many of my devices are IoT devices that support only 2.4 GHz, while other devices are Wi-Fi 4 and Wi-Fi 5 on 5 GHz. The Archer has more than enough bandwidth to support my DSL ISP.

See the follow up post: Nighthawk RAXE300 vs TP-Link Archer AX6000 vs TP-Link Deco P9.

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